Just a fraction of an inch, but I believe 10 yards strikes a useful balance. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! In contrast, I also tested a 200 yard zero, which resulted in a -0.6 mil hold under at this same stretch of 60 yards to 120 yards. It is also just theory until you test it yourself but it should be close to what you can expect. Highly recommend watching the video. AT 36 you are going to have to hold under at 50 and maybe at 100. Basically, the 5.56 AR15 is a self-defense weapon so I would stick with the 50 yards zero. Mar 8, 2017. Thus giving you 5-8 hold-under until about 225 yards. I shot a tight group at 25 and the strangest thing happened at 100. Easy. So if you want to convert them at 200 yards and you have -4.22 MOA like on the 25 yard zero, will be roughly an 8.83 hold under. ._1sDtEhccxFpHDn2RUhxmSq{font-family:Noto Sans,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;font-weight:400;line-height:18px;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-flow:row nowrap;flex-flow:row nowrap}._1d4NeAxWOiy0JPz7aXRI64{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText)}.icon._3tMM22A0evCEmrIk-8z4zO{margin:-2px 8px 0 0} The 36 yard zero wins. Most people can find a 10 yard (30 feet) line of sight in their home. This kind of medium range shooting should be easy if you zero at 100 yards and then adjust your elevation for a 200-yard shot. Also, a - means hold under and a + means to hold over. Everything is nice and tight until 200 yards or so. Draw it out too. Looks more like that. The only catch is these are done in 5 5 6, so the next question is whether or not this zero will hold with a throw a platform. With a scope height of 1.5 inches, the parabolic arc of the round peaks at 50 yards and returns once more to -1.5 inches at 100 yards. 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Pros: Everything is a holdover. A quick copy of the original article is below and you can link to it directly by clicking here. 1 moa = 1 at 100 yards so at 25 yards 4 moa is only 1. You can find the printable PDF file at Jerking the Trigger. This gives a pretty good point blank range of around sixty yards. The reason for this is that at distance your hold over won't be as much and . Repeated trips walking up and down the range and hopefully you are at least on paper for your first group Well, Frank Proctor, from Way of the Gun, and Jerking the Trigger have come up with a great target. (5.56 62gr. A consecutive Marine rifle and pistol expert, he enjoys local 3-gun, NFA, gunsmithing, MSRs, & high-speed gear. 36 is a good combat zero(where just hitting center mass is the goal) but definitely not the best for a precision/long range setup. I use the 36 yard zero for all my irons and red dots. optics get the standard 100 yard zero. ._3oeM4kc-2-4z-A0RTQLg0I{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:justify;justify-content:space-between} Venture, In the case of other calibers, the target will likely work but may require more fine tuning when you are able to shoot at distance (50 yards would be good, 200 would be better). 36 yard zero Pros: Will get you out to 300 yards. Look up Max Point Blank Range, or MPBR. .c_dVyWK3BXRxSN3ULLJ_t{border-radius:4px 4px 0 0;height:34px;left:0;position:absolute;right:0;top:0}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;-ms-flex-pack:start;justify-content:flex-start;margin-top:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._33jgwegeMTJ-FJaaHMeOjV{border-radius:9001px;height:32px;width:32px}._1OQL3FCA9BfgI57ghHHgV3 ._1wQQNkVR4qNpQCzA19X4B6{height:16px;margin-left:8px;width:200px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx{display:-ms-flexbox;display:flex;margin:12px 0}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._29TSdL_ZMpyzfQ_bfdcBSc{-ms-flex:1;flex:1}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx .JEV9fXVlt_7DgH-zLepBH{height:18px;width:50px}._39IvqNe6cqNVXcMFxFWFxx ._3YCOmnWpGeRBW_Psd5WMPR{height:12px;margin-top:4px;width:60px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN{height:18px;margin-bottom:4px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2E9u5XvlGwlpnzki78vasG{width:230px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN.fDElwzn43eJToKzSCkejE{width:100%}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._2kNB7LAYYqYdyS85f8pqfi{width:250px}._2iO5zt81CSiYhWRF9WylyN._1XmngqAPKZO_1lDBwcQrR7{width:120px}._3XbVvl-zJDbcDeEdSgxV4_{border-radius:4px;height:32px;margin-top:16px;width:100%}._2hgXdc8jVQaXYAXvnqEyED{animation:_3XkHjK4wMgxtjzC1TvoXrb 1.5s ease infinite;background:linear-gradient(90deg,var(--newCommunityTheme-field),var(--newCommunityTheme-inactive),var(--newCommunityTheme-field));background-size:200%}._1KWSZXqSM_BLhBzkPyJFGR{background-color:var(--newCommunityTheme-widgetColors-sidebarWidgetBackgroundColor);border-radius:4px;padding:12px;position:relative;width:auto} But the 36 yard zero is flatter out to 300. Of course, it is best to refine your zero at distances greater than 10 yards. Frankly, I dont think one zeroing scheme is better than another. 300 yards is great for longer barrels. Also works for 308 as my SR25 has a Trijicon RMR in a 45 degree offset mount. The bottom dot on the 0:0 axis is where the bullet would hit if you were aiming at a target 25 yards away with a 36yd zero which is approximately -.72 below your point of aim. At 25 yards, a 10 yard zero yields a 1 1/2" hold under. Now, since we're converting from a 100 -yard zero trajectory to a 200-yard zero trajectory, we begin by looking at how much we must adjust to rezero to the new I have a Colt Sporter Match HBAR with A2 sights, built in 1993. At 25 yards, groups should be .3 inches (less than or just over ") high w/ rear sight set on "3". For a 10.5 inch barrel, the 50 or 36-yard zero will be ideal. Tom, with a 100 yard zero, POI will be about 2.2 below POA at 10 yards if my calculations are correct. Breezy as all get out; torso target and the plastic uprights kept rocking forward as wind was coming from 12 o'clock. Thanks. Even though I dont recommend the 25 yard zero, Im starting here because it is suggested so often, but is also often misrepresented as a 25/300 yard zero. I mentioned inread more , A question has come to mind lately about the various product offerings out in the firearm world particularly red dotread more . The gray dot is 1.9 below your point of aim (POA) and represents your point of impact (POI). The only reason I would like to have less complicated hold over math is for when I'm out shooting for practice and up in the mountains roaming around. Note: a 200 yard zero and a 50 yard zero are practically the same for these calibers. I prefer to check the zero at 50 yards quickly and then check again at 200 on a new target when possible. I've been at 36yd for about a year in the AR and AK, both are 5.56. All Rights Reserved. If you are hunting in the woods your shooting range should not extend beyond 200 or 300 yards. In that trajectory chart above, I'm a max of 1.4 mils high at 100 yards, 1.7 mils low at 450 yards, and dead-on at 300 yards, as far as holdovers. Keep in mind that, at 100 yards, your point of impact will be above the black dot if your point of aim is the black dot. Kurt Warner. Gets a little sketch with slow bullets. Broken clouds with me laying prone on damp to muddy ground. While a 36/300 yard zero is great for open land, I find it to have a higher than wanted POI over POI in the 75-150 yard range for a CQB type gun. I have used the method so much that I created a target for my own use to support the process. Brownells Gears Up to Release What Would Stoner Do? Rifles . Ill leave you with this tip: if you have astigmatism like I do and your red dot looks wonky, flip up the small rear aperture it will help focus the dot for a better defined aiming point. In the video "ex-navy seal" Shawn Ryan, talks about the normal zeros.25,50,100, but he also speaks of an unusual one of 36 yards. Precision Rifles Marksmanship Win a FREE Membership! Cons: None. 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I use a 50yd zero for my scoped .223 has coyote rifle, using ammo in the 62gr-69gr range, because I get plenty of close shots. Nathan has traveled to over 30 countries working with US DoD & foreign MoDs. 30-30: 150: 2390: 1. unity riser and eotech reticle because 1032 yards is 68 MOA and your highest peak would be be at 120 yards with a 8 MOA peak though technically the top of the bullets ark is somewhere around 220. The USMC method sees you zero at 36-yards for the initial intersection and that gets you all the way out to 300-yards. Out to 300 yards, it's at 6.6" high at 150 yards at is highest flight path, and 0.2" low at 300 yards, giving me a 6.8" trajectory spread out to 300 yards with irons. Kurtis Eugene Warner (born June 22, 1971) is an American former football quarterback who played in the National Football League (NFL) for 12 seasons, primarily with the St. Louis Rams and Arizona Cardinals. However there are many who know a lot more than me. sell your cloak and buy one." 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