Arizona will set you back the equivalent of 6,900 doubloons. Queens are 2-3 in their last 5 games. However, for a consumer looking for the best bang for their buck, why buy California when Arizona is available? As much as I need a break right now, USS California is a big enough name to elicit sales simply merely by reputation. (37% damage reduction for Arizona vs 36% for California). The Jaguars have not played a game with moneyline odds of -320 or shorter. When Florida was first announced, I thought she would immediately obsolete California. I tore California a new one a few months ago for being not worth the asking price. While I do feel that Florida is a superior vessel to California, I don't feel that she's worth it either. Frankly, you're better served picking up Arizona at tier VI or even Alabama at tier VIII instead of Florida. Let me stress this: I don't think Alabama is worth the asking price either, but I would definitely recommend her over Florida. She's more reliable, if dull. The best bang for your buck for American premium battleships is Massachusetts and she's been one of the best premiums you can buy if you're shopping for one. Her primacy isn't challenged by Florida in the least. With Black Friday a little over a month away, if you're in the market for Massachusetts, then you might want to wait a month and grab it when her Black version goes back on sale if you like the cosmetic difference. I don't mean to try and sell you on other ships, my point is simply that there are a lot better choices for your time and money than investing in Florida. I love playing Arizona but i won't pay to have it at tier 7. Now, let me be clear: Arizona, the tier VI American premium, is awesome. But given CA's epic history, it does irritate me to see so much love lavished on their napkinwaffe RU BB and KM CV lines, while CA gets this treatment. Actually, and strangely, 109k dmg each battle. . Ouch. I don't know why Wargaming decided to neuter Florida's fire setting so badly. I guess this will encourage players to reach for AP whenever possible. Keep in mind that these values do not include the fire resistance of their opponents nor the ship's accuracy. Fire resistance values against the opponents Florida usually faces is anywhere between 30% to 45% or so. So if you're managing to hit with 1/3 of Florida's shells against a tier VIII target, then instead of 4 fires and change, you're more likely going to see one per minute. Maybe. This is why I frown on a difference of 0.1 sigma being used as a selling feature -- it's a "spreadsheet" value that will affect a ship over the course of several games but isn't likely to be significant within a single match. Catch the excitement and bet with Tipico! Certainly can defend herself against carriers with her decent AA. However, without it being paired with improved agility or durability, this bonus is merely nice to have, rather than ship-defining. In its win over Florida State on Monday night, UNC basketball set an all-time program record one that not many people probably saw coming. Summary so far: California's agility is absolutely appalling and worse than it had to be. The PvE-exclusive player doesn't appreciate a ship's strengths and vulnerabilities through the same lens as a KOTS finalist, for example, nor should they be expected to. All things told, it's not bad for helping keep shells out (especially when angling). It goes on and on like this. Yes, yes, yes, this is all in the name of BALANS, tovarish, and Florida's gunnery is balanced. I just don't like it. Unfortunately she can't really take advantage as well as another battleship might because of her slowness. Take this review lightly. Mouse, while knowledgeable, is subject to her own personal biases, likes, preferences, just like the rest of us. I HATE w California is a slow reloading, reasonably accurate 356mm armed battleship. Here's what the numbers tell us. I have 2 battles in it in randoms but only because I've been playing a lot of ranked plus grinding out the Minnesota. TV: ESPN ( Watch and stream the game live on ESPN+) RADIO: Tar Heel Sports Network. The perks they gave her to compensate, namely good AA, nice range, good concealment and more accurate guns, don't cut the mustard for me. Just saw ichase's vid also. The difference in penetration performance between California and Florida is manifold. Their shells have different masses (555kg for Florida vs 680.4kg for California), different shell velocities due to different drag coefficients (0.271 for Florida vs 0.331 for California) and different Krupp values (2,945 for Florida vs 2,545 for California). Heres how you can watch Mondays game: UNC-FLORIDA STATE TV, RADIO, AND STREAMING INFORMATION. You need speed to reach thatposition in time, but if you do, you can sink MO in two salvos, allowing you to not rely on torps by other ships to take it down. And depending on nation, out right changes to how the ship play. Louisiana: $2,546. California has more range (19.9km vs 16km) California's AP shells do more damage (10,500 vs 10,300) California has a faster reload (34.2s vs 35s) California's AP TV: ESPN ( Watch and stream the game live on ESPN+) RADIO: Tar Heel Sports Network. Florida's consumables are a little weird. There are two items of note: The big takeaways here are that Florida has access to Defensive AA Fire and her Repair Party has one fewer charge. California's increased rate of fire, higher shell damage and sigma are all nice but the difference is so minor as to be largely unnoticeable. California's speed is a severe handicap, but you knew that coming in. Summary so far: Worse protection than Arizona, tier for tier, but that's largely owing to a deficit of hit points as a tier VII battleship. Landing citadel hits against enemy battleships tends to fall off at ranges over 14km or so, but you should still be able to land penetrating hits through most belts you'll encounter. Had she been strong, I think I could have just sat aside and let people discover that for themselves. This ship isn't likely to sneak up on anyone, mostly because it's patently unable to catch up to anything that doesn't want to be caught. If for any particular reason I needa fast American battleship, I have Georgia.. No. I'm getting a lot of mileage out of this graphic. This speaks a lot to how badly the skill system needs to be reworked given how optimized skill choices have become. I find california to have more of a culture than florida. Most of her teeth come from her 40mm Bofors and 20mm Oerlikons, barring a CV being gracious enough to face-plant into a flak-cloud. These do not survive long under HE fire and even cursory smattering of HE rounds will quickly reduce the effectiveness of her AA and open her up to the potential of air-attack. This can be especially problematic if you've boosted her range and there are silly things like a bored Musashi or Champagne itching for targets. Same with cruisers - they didn't have to cower behind islands like now, they could fire and fade away. If I can help others avoid that, I will. Trouble is, I don't insist on such a ship being American; if I want a ship which does the things Florida does, I have KGV and Lyon. Unlike Arizona which finds herself occasionally enjoying the 36km x 36km claustrophobic maps of lower tiers, California more often than not sees the 42m x 42km and 48km x 48km maps of higher tiers. I really don't like her alternative palette. It's a dull, elephantine grey in unflattering patterns. My Dallas and Helena should have the same pen as my Cleveland and Seattle, with or without IFHE in the game. She might not be physically present in the heat of combat, but her reach should allow her to at least offer some contribution while she lags way in the back. Florida's secondaries are too short ranged to be worth specializing into. They also lack the accuracy buff that makes Massachusetts and Georgia such units. These twin factors are enough to discourage anyone from spending skills or upgrade slots on them, to say nothing of Florida's durability issues (which I will [edited] about at length below).. Please be aware that her performance may change in the future. Florida uses an American battleship version of her, Finally in the last slot, you have your choice between a, Finally, in slot four, fire damage mitigation is still your best option so. I admit a terrible reluctance to call any battleship's AA firepower "good". This said, when a pristine Florida activates her Defensive AA Fire and doubles her DPS, she has good AA firepower. The UNC basketball program heads to Florida State for its final road game of the season on Monday night. When comparing living in California vs Florida, you should also be aware of the economy and job market of each state. U.S. News and World Report ranked Florida as the 8th best economy in America, with job growth at 2.4% per year, which is significantly higher than the national average of 1.4%. Now, Republican Florida Gov. You are usually not shot at by much due to how target selection of bots works, so Florida's armor won't be a big issue even with the short combat range in OPs. Thus her range becomes even more important. California is a longer ranged Arizona with slightly improved damage output between better AP shells and a faster reload. I know it. Skill Floor: Simple / CASUAL / Challenging/ DifficultSkill Ceiling: Low / MODERATE / High / Extreme. The property tax in Florida averages at 0.98% whereas in California it is 0.73%. +4% increased dispersion of enemy shells. The following is a review of California, the tier VII American battleship. This ship has been provided to me by Wargaming for evaluation purposes - WebFlorida has an improved dispersion formula, but poor sigma. I should preface this by saying that I love the American standard-type battleships. But again, Arizona is a thing. While California does have some minor improvements over Arizona, they are (in my opinion) inconsequential. California vs. Florida: A tale of two Americas From a distance, Florida and California look similar: beaches and natural disasters, theme parks full of tourists, and Such wasted potential. Floridas games this season have gone over 6.5 goals 37 of 62 times. Mouse, while knowledgeable, is subject to her own personal biases, likes, preferences, just like the rest of us. Florida has access to two different camouflage patterns. By default, she comes with Type 10 Camouflage. However. Rather than look for something new or novel, Wargaming played it safe. They need to get rid of that junk mod they added that makes it all torps are spotted at 1.8 km cause especially against slower torps, like USN's, there's almost no excuse to not dodge torps if you take it. She would have been a meme the way USS Texas used to be down at tier V. Now such AA firepower is merely an inconvenience to CVs. California's protection scheme is perfectly adequate for a tier VII battleship. Mileage probably determined on if you want a premium USN BB for Narai or not. However you're paying for the improvements with very crappy gun fire angles. All of Arizona's decks are 26mm). The first element is symptomatic of American battleships as a whole, especially the new line of American battleships that Florida heralds. At 33.5 seconds per volley, Florida's reload isn't as bad as some of the others in the new tech-tree, but let's not mince words: It sucks to wait that long between trigger pulls. I can stomach this if the results for waiting are particularly amusing, however Florida's gunnery is an exercise in frustration for me because of my second gripe: Florida's shell hits are not satisfying. Florida's shells, both AP and HE, don't hit especially hard. Their damage values are lower than you might expect for a 356mm weapon. In fact, Florida's damage output on her AP and HE shells is most closely matched by those off the sixteen-gun Lyon. Lyon has only a 30 second reload, I remind you, 3.5 seconds faster than Florida with a four-gun advantage. Compare: Her individual hits just aren't doing as much damage as other American battleships. While she still has better broadside weight than the ten-gun armed New York-class, she's well behind the other twelve-gun armed American standards despite having a better reload time than all of them. This deficit in shell damage (combined with her slower reload) means that in terms of raw damage potential, Florida falls way behind, ending up in the bottom half of the DPM charts despite her large number of guns. California's AP shells have higher penetration. VERDICT: Not as nimble as you might expect. Good enough, I suppose, but definitely not one of her strengths. If you had to choose one, Arizona is the better purchase, hands down. California doesn't make up for her main battery gunnery with her secondaries. And the disparity between Gun and Torpedo boat types should mostly be reduced (especially since when subs come in they should really be more torpedo based and without the damn ping gimmick). Wargaming burned me once too often in World of Tanks. I don't want to touch California. This screenshot makes me sad. I have no idea why Wargaming didn't provide her with the tech-tree style energy preservation. Compared to the 380mm, 406mm and 410mm shells being thrown about by some of her tier mates, their individual shell performance is middling at best. I'd actually rather get California, because she's an extension of a ship type (US Standards) thatI have played a lot and really enjoy. Delaware: $2,137. Make IJN CV's actually historical, there are a number of options because while personally I'd restrictattack planes to the bombs they actually carried being HE, the standard torps and/or SAP DB's could be swapped out for Level Bombing AP (800 kg) bombs or Level Bombing carpet bombers (cause IJN TB's could and did do that kind of stuff). I'm just a slightly above average player too. If I were to purchase one, Florida would get my money for sure., Whilst I appreciate the very solid review you have provided for yet another ship, I am far more appreciative of your last few paragraphs on @Critter8and the rest of you folks. AP penetration is more of a contentious issue for Florida. WebFlorida and California are remarkably similar for their warm climates, beaches, tourist destinations, immigrant populations, and more, but both states could not be more Absolutely. California's protection scheme is decent for a tier VII battleship but it's nothing special either short of her anti-torpedo protection (which is good but not as amazing as the size of her bulges would suggest). And I'm fine with that as long as they give us module choices like in RTS to customize are play. LOCATION: Donald L. Tucker Center in Tallahassee, Florida. Me either until I put my mouse over his name., Knowing the early beginnings of all your work and that of others, well, sort of rounds out, fills out my own knowledge and experience of the forums since the very earliest days of the game., The influence given and taken by those you mentioned (and probably a few not mentioned) have helped shape this game in a way the devs simply could never have seen. Deposit $200, Get $250. against a destroyer at stupid-close ranges. But against any other target, her HE is just found wanting. The only thing to watch out for is if one your DD/CL uses smoke and hide all other ships, MO will target you and you don't want that with Florida's armor. Gnei/Sharn is possibly more fun (depends on each person), but their guns are a lot less punchy compared to Lyon/Ashitaka, so you need to effectively use your torps. March 1, 2023 10:00 am CT. Auburn baseball plays Florida A&M on Wednesday evening, and if youre wondering how you can watch the action live, youve come to the right place. As for the ship herself, WG pitched her at someone who wants a moderately fast (not quite 30kt, but not 20 either) US BB with lots of gun barrels at Tier 7. One of these is California, the other Arizona. Tweak are play and all that way, far more interesting. The number of murders surged by nearly 30%, from 16,669 in 2019 to 21,570 in 2020, the largest year-over-year increase on record. ", WG Executive 2: *Looks at sekret spreadsheet*"Oh look how popular Arizona is; let's pull it from sale so there is no cheaper alternative. Can only snipe and cannot take hits at all. QueensFGCU. And foodfor thought as I review my Steam summertime queue to see where best to spend my $. As nice as the raw penetration values are on Florida, she doesn't have a lot to spare once you aim at battleships in excess of 15km out. Using the usual tricks of aiming for softer sections of the hull can help, especially given Florida's reasonably tight dispersion to ensure good groupings. This helps somewhat, but again, angling is very effective against Florida's guns because she doesn't overmatch a whole lot of armour. I was curious about this ship as i really love playing Arizona. Over on the defensive end, the Panthers "Ooh, 1.9 sigma with twelve guns? Maybe Repair Party needs to be a little less unique on cruisers, other than UK zombie type or other such quirks. Simply put, it's the only thing which makes this ship viable as a tier VII vessel and even then it barely passes muster. I just came to read another review by LWM, and donot have Florida, but I have been farming in Narai since other farming OPs were taken down. There's a stigma against lower-calibre guns for having poor penetration performance and this is largely undeserved. American 356mm AP shells, for example, have very good penetration and Florida's is improved even beyond this. She is capable, for example, of penetrating upwards of 400mm worth of plate at 15km. She has more than enough punch to land citadel hits against just about any broadside target, including some of the softer-skinned battleships up to ranges of 20km. So you don't need to worry about Florida not having enough teeth to citadel an Iowa in most encounters, should the opportunity arise. I stress the word opportunity, however.. This isn't exactly welcome for such a slow brick with a big squishy snoot to boop. It isn't anywhere near as vulnerable. WebCalifornia is more of a dry heat while Florida is more humid It's generally sunny more so in california than in florida. Thank you for having the integrity to call WG out on their shenanigans. Based on this contests moneyline, Southern has an implied win probability of 76.2%. Florida (on the left) using a standard dispersion test. This is 180 AP shells fired at a stationary Fuso bot. Shots are coming in from the left to right (Fuso is bow-tanking). California is on the right with the same parameters. California uses American battleship dispersion with 1.9 sigma versus Florida's battlecruiser dispersion with 1.7 sigma. Florida feels appreciably more accurate than most other American battleships, though her lower sigma value will make her feel only slightly better than ships like California or Arizona. You probably want, Arizona & California's Main Battery Differences. follow. I've sorted these ships by the formula I like to use (DPS x [range-1km]) to give a better, but not entirely accurate, impression of AA effectiveness -- the logic being that longer range AA is better than shorter range AA. In battle, targets are moving at different angles and speeds which makes any reasonable evaluation exceedingly difficult unless there is a tremendous change in performance. Lemme stress: They're fine. She is a powerful tier VI battleship, so you might think my comparison unfair. You can find a Pow Wow somewhere close to you! The final thing to keep in mind is that because of her long range, every time she pulls the trigger, she rings the dinner bell. You need to play a total of 20 battles to post in this section. WHEN: Monday, Feb. 27, 7 p.m. USS California's inclusion in World of Warships bothers me on so many levels. Flak Bursts: 5 explosions for 1,400 damage per blast at 3.5km to 5.8km.Long Ranged (up to 5.8km): 137 dps at 75% accuracyMedium Ranged (up to 3.5km): 364 dps at 75% accuracyShort Ranged (up to 2.0km): 490dps at 70% accuracy. They could have made California powerful. WG!!! Furthermore, it's not going to put off a determined tier VIII carrier even for a moment. Normally I'm not bothered by the napkinwaffe ships, hell some of my favorite ships in this game never left the blueprint stage. While tier VI carriers have to respect your AA firepower they can still strike you. Lert really helped me appreciate the game play of the "American Bricks" way back in 2016. The moneyline odds say Florida has a 62.3% chance of winning this game. The totals have gone OVER in 3 of Queens' last 5 games. She has greatly improved anti-aircraft firepower and she's more stealthy. Her rotation rate of 4.1/s is again, pretty average. Has one fewer Repair Party charges than most other battleships. USN could choose between type of plane, type of ordnance, etc. I'm not telling you which ship is which. Despite constant suggestions to give her improved accuracy and/or range on her secondaries, Wargaming wouldn't budge on keeping them standardized. They could have just as easily remained a footnote in the war, left behind by fate. The net effect is that though California has a 20.5 knot top speed, she's usually flirting with much less -- as little as 15.3 knots at 4/4 engine settings. A break right now, let me be clear: Arizona, the other Arizona far interesting. 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